its progress at least now maybe a brutix can outrep a prophecy.... now for making armour repping competitive please.

People are probably worried about the loss of EHP, but that doesn't mean anything should be done about it.

You have your solution here, just nerf the remote reppers ability slightly as they are already pretty much OP. Why couldn't you do this?

So what is the problem to raise the bonus for them then if it is an issue?

How about dampening the effect of RR's based on the (average) resistances?

And that still does not make local active repping any more appealing, only makes alpha fleets more powerful. And alpha fleets are used extensively in the game, while local repping is not and will not be for a long time, probably never. And that makes this a stupid change.

Not by the math, no. They are about par.

No, the Prophecy cannot rep more than the myrm. It can rep about 5% less, all things considered.

Possibly a way to fix remote repping as I would say its a general consenus that the resistance bonus is not overpowered its remote reps when in large clusters.

Self rep ships don't need space cleared for them vs resist bonuses. They need to be cleared out of the way (read: deleted) so that game balance can actually be achieved.

That kind of crudworthy pve bonus doesn't belong in a discussion of pvp balance, pure and simple.

What is a solid counter-argument to R?

That would be at all appropriate, were it not for the overwhelming evidence that SR is a waste of a bonus FOR A FLEET SHIP

Current Abaddon for BS IV char hits something like

EM 79%
TH 73%
KN 69%
EX 83%

That is 2xEANM IIs, 1xDC II, 1x EX Hardener II. There are other ways to tank, but this yields over 160k EHP.

My understanding is that ship bonuses don't go into the stacking formula. So losing 4% (1% / level) for the example char means taking roughly

19% more damage from EM
15% more damage from TH
13% more damage from KN
24% more damage from EX

So on average nearly 18% more damage taken per second. Due to dynamic factors in how resists interact with repping, were base armour HP on Abaddon to be buffed to compensate CCP would need to increase it by something like a third to be as resilient under fire. If the nerf really did equate to 1% CCP wouldn't bother making it.

You can check it in game or just EFT it. On EFT make a moa, select all V char and drop cal cruiser level to 4. You'll have the new moa.

You're seriously nerfing my eagle and ferox. Why would you do that? They're already awful. Could you perhaps not do the change on ships that are currently terrible, then do it when you get around to making them good?

The question is, what are we trying to solve? what problem comes up that is the result of a resist bonus on these ships?

So while a 37.5% rep bonus increases effective repping by 37.5%, and a 50% armor hp bonus increases effective hitpoints by 50%, a 25% resistance bonus actually increases both by 33% (not the 25% that might be assumed at first glance).
In practice that means that for pure amount repped over time, a 25% resistance bonus is only 3% less powerful than a 37.5% rep bonus.
This is one of the main reasons that resistance bonuses completely overshadow local repair bonuses.

Sure, the Myrm has other advantages. Speaking as someone who's been known to tool around in a space chicken, one of them is that the Myrm doesn't fly like a damn battleship.

So your arguement is that a prophecy with a resist bonus tanks almost as much as a myrmidon. Alot of people say the same thing but you forgot to mention that the myrm does 3 times the dps while tanking.

Nice troll attempt. Their tank is roughly the same and the dps isn't even close.

Also aren't Rokh's seeing widespread usage in fleets right now?
- How does this not conflict with the idea that arty alpha is > all?